Psychologist Shauna Springer on the Real Struggles Veterans Face - The ROI Online Podcast Ep. 45

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Thanks"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3244.949,"endTime":3249.719,"body":"so much for being a great guest"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3249.749,"endTime":3256.319,"body":"on and ROI online podcast. Thank"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3249.749,"endTime":3256.319,"body":"you. That's a wrap. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3256.319,"endTime":3261.209,"body":"listening to another fun episode"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3256.319,"endTime":3261.209,"body":"of the ROI online podcast. For"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3261.209,"endTime":3264.839,"body":"more, be sure to check out the"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3261.209,"endTime":3264.839,"body":"show notes of this episode. And"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3264.839,"endTime":3268.589,"body":"feel free to connect with me on"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3264.839,"endTime":3268.589,"body":"LinkedIn where we can chat and I"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3268.589,"endTime":3271.769,"body":"can help direct you to the"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3268.589,"endTime":3271.769,"body":"resources you're searching for."},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3272.159,"endTime":3275.159,"body":"To learn more about how you can"},{"speaker":"Steve Brown","startTime":3272.159,"endTime":3275.159,"body":"grow your business better. 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